[Rspamd-Users] update issue on Debian 10

[Vsevolod Stakhov]

On 19/03/2023 19:02, Fred Zinsli via Users wrote:
> So you have already stopped Debian 10 support in spite of the fact that 
> official support stops 1 Aug 2022 and LTS support expires 2028

> This means that you are supporting "forced" OS upgrades regardless of 
> the users circumstances.

How have you concluded that? If you'd like to stay with an outdated 
system, it is your choice. You are also free to use Rspamd of an older 
(and thus unsupported) version, or make your own package, or run Rspamd 
in the Docker container - there are many possibilities.

> If this is your position then you should be advising users of your 
> position and when you intend to stop support for any given OS version
> This is a position that should be reviewed.

I stop support of some OS when it starts to be a huge burden.

Debian versions are particularly bad: it is just not possible to install 
a modern compilers toolchain without interfering with the system's one. 
I can easily support CentOS 7 where there are `devtoolset` packages that 
provide modern toolchains with no pain and dependencies hell. 
Unfortunately, there is nothing close on Debian side, that's why Debian 
support was also very difficult for me. And I will drop any EOL versions 
from updates as soon as their compiler/libc/libstdc++ won't be able to 
build Rspamd, not sooner but not later. This is the case of Debian 10, 
I'm afraid: incompatible gcc, incompatible libstdc++, broken llvm repo, 
etc...

Please also bear in mind that Rspamd is a free and open source project. 
If you want to have an updated Rspamd version on an outdated Linux 
distribution, it is typically your problem. You can invest your 
time/money in such a support, and I'd be happy to consider and review 
pull requests to be merged with the Rspamd repo. This is my final and 
'official' position.

> Regards
> 
> Fred
> 
> On 19/03/2023 21:13, Vsevolod Stakhov wrote:
>> On 19/03/2023 05:55, Miroslav Šebek via Users wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> latest rspamd update from 3.4 to 3.5 on Debian 10 is causing package 
>>> to be removed because it depends on packages libc++1-16, 
>>> libc++abi1-16 and libunwind-16 which are all in experimental debian 
>>> repos only.
>>>
>>> Right now staying on 3.4 but will there be some kind of solution for 
>>> this?
>>>
>>
>> Debian 10 is EOL. I'm not going to support updates for EOL
>> distributives. The debian packages for Rspamd 3.5 are still not in a
>> good shape but I will definitely drop support for Debian 10 (buster)
>> and Ubuntu Bionic as they are no longer supported. The burden to
>> support old compilers is too high...